look at rick perry. >> well, i think if i were a republican, i might point to chris christie instead. i think that in many of these cases -- >> that was a joke. it's okay, erin. >> i am allowed to laugh at rick perry. i mean, i would say rick perry is very much the kind of governor that i think ken cusp can cuccinelli would be if he somehow manages to beat the odds. in fact, just today, the laws he pushed through, through special session in texas ended up in court. so i think if somehow ken cuccinelli becomes governor, we can expect a series of lawsuits, basically saying everything he has pushed in unconstitutional. >> but rick perry is an old -- he has been in office since when? 2000? if you look at republican governors like casich in ohio, scott walker in wisconsin, they came in as fire brands. they got pushed back by a lot of the things they wanted to do and have sort of reformed. but what you're seeing from those republican governors is that they're learning that compromise is not a dirty word. and if you're going to get anything done, you must compromise. >> and if i were republi